Peter Pan of the podcast becomes a man reaching the maturing point in his life of 40 years and Steve is amazed that there is no party on the horizon. Then they get serious about discussing how technology and the cloud can support the business as the business develops a Back to Work policy. After confirming that to get started you need a corporate policy to be able to design a set of processes and technologies that will support the organisation in its New Way of Working. Steve and Marijn talk through the roles and personae that will require a different level of support from IT. The great resignation is discussed and how we are losing innovation opportunities because more preparation and organisation is required for meetings to be successful